Sometimes I hate the nonsense that goes on around the SEO circle. Two different people can have differentiating opinions that can both be backed up with relevant data. Instead of having an intelligent conversation, it turns into personal attacks that don’t have anything to do with the discussion.
Let’s take for example the recent post from John Andrews and his opinion on why this article should not have been published. Personally, in this case I agree with John. That’s not the normal type of content that goes on Search Engine Land. On the other hand, I may have posted it on this blog, and probably would not have been surprised to see it on blog with heavy blackhat content. That’s okay but I was surprised Danny posted it. To his credit he later apologized, and I respect him and his stance on the whole issue. His responses added to the conversation and he provided further explanations of why he posted and that he might have made a mistake. The real issue here is the angry attack from Rand Fishkin.
This blog post (and a similar one from another source) are pure hypocrisy, crass negative link (and attention) baiting and feed off the natural draw of drama on the Internet.
That part of the comment was fine. That’s your opinion, and although you didn’t really explain why, whatever. Here’s what I don’t get.
For shame, John. To think I had respected you, invited you to events and even recommended your services. On occasion, your posts and comments have made me question your integrity or worry that my respect for you was unfounded. Here, you’ve sealed the deal. “Trashy sensationalism that crossed ethical borders for the sake of short term audience attention grabbing” Repulsive, derisive filth (and obvious hypocrisy). Disgusting.
What’s wrong with saying “I disagree with you John and here is why I believe that post was good for the SEM community.” This “Rand Response” seems to be the norm rather than the exception. There seems to be more intelligent conversation on Perez Hilton sometimes. What’s the point of that response? It doesn’t add to the conversation in any way. Rand, why is it pure hypocrisy? Why is it attention baiting? It’s like grade school. You’re a sissy, na na na na. Blogs and communities are supposed exist to encourage intelligent conversation and not “fuck you eat shit and die”. Enough already.
John also mentioned you made it as if you personally knew him and then you questioned his integrity. I don’t think his values have a place in this conversation. Tell him he’s full of it, but say why. If we’re going to question each others ethics and integrity all day, you probably don’t want to get into that conversation with the way you attempt to portray yourself and your company.
That was a despicable thing to write and this blog post merely confirms that you’re seeking nothing but publicity and attention from your negative attacks.
Good job explaining why it was a despicable thing to write. Why was it a “negative attack”? Just because it’s a post that says something negative doesn’t make it despicable and doesn’t make it something done merely for attention.
I’m all for calling out people who have gained so called “Expert Status” when they post or say something I think is stupid or incorrect. It’s my opinion. They have every right to respond and offer their own opinion. Experts are questioned all the time, that’s what happens when you’re a public figure. Question me if you want, I’m sure there are a lot of people who think I’m full of shit, and I write this blog for others as well as myself. That pretty much means I’m open to criticism, otherwise I wouldn’t have a blog. Post your criticism and tell me why and I’ll respond and tell you why I’m not. If it has to do with search or whatever topics anyone thinks I’m wrong about I’ll either post a response and say “yea, I could have been wrong” or maybe expand on what I was trying to say or “I disagree and this is why”. What I’m not going to do is act like a twelve year old on the playground. I only act like that when you’re a real douchebag.
I’ve never met John or Rand. In my opinion both are very smart search marketers and I would like to meet them both. That being said, this statement also got me:
To think I had respected you, invited you to events and…
Invited him to events? So? Who are you…the Hugh Hefner of SEO? What’s that got to do with either post? Next time you write a post I’m going to comment that I used to like them but now I think you have ugly shoes…it makes about as much sense.
John, I think you handled this situation very well and very respectfully. Rand, you sound like you’re hanging out at digital point.
It’s shit like this that makes me want to turn off comments, shut down the internet, and become Amish. Let’s concentrate on making money, having fun doing business, helping each other out, not being afraid of having a different opinion, and drinking more beer. More beer is always good.